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The pre-tribulational rapture theology is false

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  • MARK970

    August 22, 2015

    check out the history of this false teaching.  btw: i am NOT saying that the believer will be subject to the wrath of God.  8-)

  • DEBORAH840

    August 24, 2015

    Unfortunately, I have to agree with you regarding the rapture.As most believers was raised to believe that we would be rapture out. I read the scriptures thousands of times. But while reading aloud to my daughter about 5 years ago. The LORD showed me we would be going through part of the tribulation.

    That had floored me. And I also realized that how the Jewish people thought JESUS would come and although they were given the scriptures, they had been wrong. Although, the Word was given them. And as we all believed we would not be here because the rapture. What if we had gotten it wromg like the Jewish people.

    That also would be a total shock and many Christians would fall away because the church failing to teach we will be hated and killed. Americans have not suffered as other parts of the world. However most don't realize we are living in the end times and the birth pangs are just about to start. Yes, we will be beheaded.

    America also has turned it's back on GOD and for that we will also be judged. It saddens me that most churches don't even teach the Word. It is more of a fake watered down version, that JESUS wouldn't even recognize. So, yes my friend we will not be rapture out.

  • NAOMI651

    September 16, 2015

    I think that a lot of Christians find ways to read the rapture into the Bible, just because they're scared and don't relish the thought of suffering. Which, I might add, is very natural and understandable! Many people that I greatly respect believe in the rapture.

  • LOURDES709

    October 22, 2016

    Come on, we should not let any one move us from what we learned in the begining, when Jesus came into our life, doesn´t the bible says it in many verses, I won´t try to convince anyone with my words that the reapening is real and that god loves us so much that he would not let us suffer the tribulation; but I will let the Sword of the Lord teach anyone confused or with doubts, this is KJV I just highlighted the important words and phrases that tell us and confirms the reapening.

    1Ts 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

    1Ts 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    1Ts 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

    1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
    Luc 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
    Luc 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    Luc 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    Luc 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

    1Ts1Ts 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    1Ts 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    1Ts 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    Apo 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
    Apo 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
    Apo 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.


    1Ts 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

    THEN here is the tribulation:

    Apo 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
    Apo 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
    Apo 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
    Apo 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

    See our God is so loving and mercyfull that he already has planned were and when will we be out so we can escape the wrath of God.

  • NIYO734

    October 22, 2016

    The rapture of Jesus will certainty occur before the tribulation  happens on earth

  • JAN088

    January 3, 2017

    Interesting topic.There are three main theories Pre-millennialism,Post-millennialism and Amillennialism.I am more keen on delving deeper by looking at the scriptures.

    I have always believed the saints will be saved by grace and will only experience a bit of the trribulation.Once the saints are raptured,the evil one will arise and demand to be worshipped this is the Great tribulation and thats the time the financial system will be fully automated( this is clearly covering ground) and so the number 666 will be forced to people and those who refuse will be killed.One thing is for sure we are living in the end of days...

    I know i havent said anything new really :-)...I will be back with biblical backup by God's grace.


    March 19, 2017

    You left off a growing segment called Preterist view. Very well worth studing and looking into. Rather than speculation, heresey, hopeful wishing, they have documented history.

    What if there was no rapture as you have been taught. Yes there will be a second coming of Christ, but different times and seasons as the rapture crowd believe.

    Check out Jonathan Welton on youtube. Study it out before you cheaply dismiss it. He wrote a book called Raptureless. The first version is free on the internet. He is on the third revison. He add much to the first printing.

  • GEORGE118

    April 14, 2017

    The only way to escape the rapture is to accept The Lord Jesus Christ in you're heart as you're personal Savior. Because this is the final showdown that were living in and when the world as we know it now will be destroyed. In Revelations it says that the old Heaven and the old World will be destroyed! But! There will be a new Heaven and a new World when Jesus Christ comes back to reclaim the world.


    December 28, 2017

    On what grounds would be the pre Catching up before Jacobs Trouble be False ?

    Please do note The Time of God's wrath will be pour out on those who rejected Christ The Free Eternal gift of Salvation

    For the Believer who put there trust in the one time sacrifical Blood payment for our sins His Death burial and ressurection as noted in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Are Eternally Saved and given imputed Justification Christ was delivered for our offences and was raised again for our justification Romans 4:25

    The Believer in Christ is already seated Spiritually and Judicially in Heavenly places Present tense Ephesians 2:6

    We are Eternally Saved by authority Ephesians 1:13

    God will not pour out his wrath on his own body but will to those who hath rejected him Starting with Jacob (Israel)

    The Body of Christ The Church Today is going through Tribulations but not the Great Tribulation

    It is being persecuted in Asia Africa The Middle East Unfortunately American Christanity is so Apostate they do not know Gospel Truth or how to study themselves approved unto God a workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth 2 Timothy 2:15

    Matthew 24 unfortunately has been taken out of context do to Replacement Hyper Covenant Israel Theology thinking They think the church today replaces Israel

    It would be a great service to those who misinterpret Matthew 24 to actually Read the whole chapter in it's context

    ie Those who will see the Abomination of desolation are Israel not the Church The Eternally Saved Believer in the Body of Christ is concerned with his or her body the temple of the Holy Ghost 1Corinthians 6:19

    Those who will flee from Judaea are Israel into the mountains not the church

    The pre Jacobs catching up as noted in

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is thousands of years old Given by The Risen Lord Jesus Christ to our Apostle Paul

    God has not appointed one Believer to wrath

    1 Thessalonians 5:9

    Our Hope is to now meet the Risen Lord Jesus Christ in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air

    Behold I show you a mystery We shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed

    In a moment in a twinkling of an eye at the last trump for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed

    1 Corinthians 15:51-53

    Let us not how we should comfort one another with these words as noted in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and now contrast this verse with Matthew 24:30 when all the tribes shall mourn for they have no comfort for rejecting The Risen Lord Jesus Christ

  • AFRA622

    February 4, 2018

    Amen Lourdes and Aquaviva!

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